How to Meditate: Meditation 101 for Beginners
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How to Meditate: Meditation 101 for Beginners
10 Science-Backed Benefits of Meditation
What is Meditation?
Benefits of Mindfulness: Mindful Living Can Change Your Life
Mindfulness 101: A Beginner's Guide
How to ease the voice of the inner critic, and draw on your innate capacity for courage, resilience, compassion and kindness when times get tough.
Sharon Salzberg is a world
renowned meditation teacher.
She's also a New York Times
bestselling author and a co-founder
of the Insight Meditation
Society in Barre, Massachusetts.
She's been teaching meditation
retreats since 1974 and has truly
been a pioneer in bringing Eastern
wisdom to the Western world.
She's also, perhaps the world's
leading authority on a particular kind
of meditation practice called Metta
practice or loving kindness meditation.
As well as learning about real
happiness and how to cultivate it from
the inside out, in this masterclass,
you'll also hear about how to ease
the voice of the inner critic and how
to draw on our innate capacities for
courage, resilience, compassion, and
kindness when times get really tough.
In other words, when we need it the most.
Enjoy this masterclass
with Sharon Salzberg.
May it nourish and support you on
your journey into mindful living.
So Sharon, thank you so much for your,
for giving your time and your presence
to, be with us today, the Summit, the
mindfulness summit community and myself.
I really, really appreciate
you giving the time.
I know you're a busy lady.
Well, thank you.
It's delightful to see you and to be here.
So if it's okay with you, I am
just going to dive right in.
And there, in your book, A Heart As
Wide As The World, there's an excerpt
that you wrote that I'd like to read.
"From my earliest days of Buddhist
practice, I felt powerfully drawn
to the possibility of finding a
way of life that was characterized
by peacefulness and authenticity.
My own life at that time was characterized
largely by fear and confusion.
I felt separate from other people and
from the world around me and even oddly
disconnected from my own experience."
When I read that, I
can resonate with that.
And I think a lot of
other people will too.
So I'm curious if you could
tell us a little bit about how
your journey's unfolded since
that time of fear and confusion.
Well, it's funny.
Anytime somebody reads something
out loud that I've written, I
don't remember any of it, you know?
And I'm like, wow, look
at that, it's interesting.
But I would say yes, when I started my
meditation practice, which was in 1971, if
I was going to choose one word to describe
myself, it would probably be fragmented.
I was quite fragmented.
I didn't really have a sense of who
I was and what would make me happy.
I had like a little instinct and that
was enough because that's what brought
me to India and, you know, had me find
a teacher and find a method of practice.
So that was enough.
But once I began practice, then
of course there've been layers
and layers and layers of changes.
And I was 18 when I went to India and
I wouldn't say that I had really done
a real introspection before then.
So everything was kind of shocking.
SN Goenk, who was my first teacher and
somewhat famous amongst the group of
people, many of whom I'm still very
close to that I met in my first retreat.
For once, having marched up to
him and looking him in the eye and
saying I never used to be an angry
person before I started meditating.
That was exactly how I felt
and I just wanted supported,
which was clearly on him.
But certainly I'd been hugely angry
and I hadn't known it and as I began
to go within all of this came up.
And so I would say that a huge part
of my transformation has been to
allow my experience more in the
spirit of compassion than judgment.
So, everybody goes through difficult
times and delightful times.
It's just the nature of life.
But how we hold it and how we are with it
is the whole point of the practice anyway.
And so as soon as I traced my sense of
progress from that time that writing
described to onwards would be moving from
incredible self-judgment to a kind of
rueful amusement like, oh, you're back.
That sounds, even as you're
saying that I could, I can sense
a kind of easefulness in that.
I mean, that might sound like a
small thing, but that's a huge thing.
That's kind of the whole tone
of your inner world going
through kind of a seismic shift.
And that's something that
continues to develop over time.
Oh, I think certainly,
you know, and hopefully.
And sometimes people.
Express dismay, you know, about their
own experience or someone else's
experience, but more in the light of, I
don't see why this is still coming up.
I shouldn't still be
having these thoughts.
I shouldn't be having these feelings.
But at this point, you know, I feel so
much more knowledgeable and capable of
meeting, not every moment, cause I'm not
perfect, but, meeting many, many wide
varieties of experience with that that
same kind of awareness and kindness.
And so I just finished reading
your book, Real Happiness, which
I was magnetically attracted to
actually because of the title.
And the reason I was magnetically
attracted to it was because in my
own life, in my own childhood, what
I noticed, at a very young age, for
whatever reason, I realized that yes,
there, we had a lot in, I mean, I didn't
grow up in a wealthy family or anything.
In fact, in Australia, probably we
would call that a poor upbringing,
but it's a Western upbringing, so
we didn't want for anything really.
And so there was a lot of cause for
what we assume would give us happiness.
But what I noticed was is that, I would
probably change the language here a
little bit and I would say, I was going
to say, there weren't many people that
I could see that had found happiness.
And that was really frightening to me.
I thought actually that when
you're a child, you're okay.
But I thought that there's some kind
of insanity that starts to creep in as
people get older and I was very vigilant.
I was like, okay, I have
to watch out for this.
Cause when you get older,
you become different.
So I'll have to be vigilant.
But what I noticed was if I could,
you know, sum it up, was that
nobody I knew and nobody I could
really see as a model around me had
found what I would call a lasting
fulfillment or a sense of wholeness.
They seemed restless, discontented,
and that kind of thing.
So I'm curious to what would you say, what
would you define now as real happiness?
The kind of real happiness that you're
talking about in your book and what has
mindfulness got to do with finding it?
Well, thank you for liking the title.
I didn't choose the title, but
the publisher chose the title.
It worked for me.
But so did I.
I had a little bit of mixed feelings
about it, just in that so many people
define happiness as something superficial,
and this is seeking pleasure or, which
we do anyway, or being kind of happy
go lucky and conflict avoidant and
refusing to see pain or suffering.
And so I was concerned about that.
And sure enough, when I went on the
tour for the book, many people would
say that to me, like, you know, How
can you want to be happy all the time?
You know, or something like that.
But I was defining happiness, I
would continue to define happiness,
as a sense of inner resource.
And that's where the real comes into.
It's not that other forms of happiness
are unreal, but they're unstable.
And so like the first interview I had
after the book came out, the interviewer
said to me, are you trying to say that
the kind of happiness I feel when I have
a lovely dinner with my wife isn't real?
And I said, of course, I think it's real.
But if that's your deepest sense of
happiness, you're in trouble because
it comes and it goes, it's impermanent.
And what about, what I said to him
was, what about the night you don't
like your dinner all that much?
And I didn't say, but of course
it could mean you may not
like your wife all that much.
I mean, life is so changeable.
It's so mutable.
And so I think if anything, we
should enjoy those moments more.
If we're more present, more
appreciative, more grateful, it
would be wonderful, but it's not
the deepest happiness we can know.
It's just too unstable.
And so I think about that night, you
don't like anything very much including
yourself, but you can reach a kind of
inner resource that is there for you.
Perspective, peace, presence
kindness, things like that.
And those really do become like resources.
So that in wonderful times, you know,
when great, great things happen,
we don't have to hold on to them so
fiercely, thinking, I can't let this go
by because I'll never be happy again.
And when painful things happen,
we can find that kind of
strength to relate differently.
So it's a powerful, powerful message
to think about where does our
deepest happiness actually abide?
And this is what I find a bit strange,
I guess, in a ways that we never
questioned this from a young age.
We're never taught to.
I mean, it's like it's kind of irrelevant.
In schooling, it's all about how can you
be the most productive citizen possible.
And I think that actually really
aggravates the, you know, how we can
really go on this endless, in Buddhism
there is that term, endless wandering.
It's just this endless wandering, trying
to find pleasure, trying to find pleasure.
And we can busy ourselves with
these, with constant self-pleasuring.
And it's so easy not to see the fact that
underneath it, there's a lack of just
a simple feeling of easefulness in our
being, a kind of wholeness in our being.
We were not really taught to even
question where happiness really
comes from, what it really is.
But what is your direct experience?
We can talk about your own
personal experience here.
I mean, I have my own descriptive
words for what I'm talking about.
I often just say wholeness instead of...
Wholeness or easefulness.
But what is your direct experience
over time of finding some kind
of lasting background of peace?
How has that unfolded for you?
And what does it look
like on a daily basis?
Like, is it, you don't feel heartache
anymore, you don't feel anger
anymore, you don't feel, or is there
something that carries through?
What does that look like on
a daily basis for you now?
That was a very long-winded question.
I would hesitate to ever describe some
state where something is no longer ever
arising and I think that's unrealistic.
And also I think defies reality, you
know, the, which is always changing.
And so many times people will say
things at the end of the retreat,
for example like, how can I stay as
concentrated as I am here at the retreat?
And I say, it's not going to happen.
Or how can I keep
mindfulness all day long?
I said, that's not going to happen either.
You know, so words like maintain, keep and
stay, I think, I use them too, you know?
But I think it's more that we renew
and can remember how to access
different parts of ourselves, you know,
different layers or different levels.
And so, it's through mindfulness
actually that it happens because.
Or maybe you have a disappointment.
Something didn't go right.
And, you know, your first
impulse is to pile on.
I never do anything right.
It's all my fault.
Anyone else in this position
would have been just fine.
It's only me and this is going
to last the rest of my life.
And we need some mindfulness to be able to
say, okay, this is what actually happened.
This happens in life, right?
We don't always get what we want.
Things are disappointing
or we disappoint ourselves.
But all that other stuff, it's just
like a story that we're adding onto
it and, and it makes us miserable.
We take things personally.
There's another example that
it's just the unfolding of life.
Like I was just in Ireland.
I just got back from
Ireland three days ago.
And last year when I taught in Ireland
and this man told me at the end of the
course, he told this fantastic story
about traveling in the States and some
incredible airport delay and he ended up
landing at a New York city airport after
midnight, and his luggage had been lost.
He and his friends
missed their connection.
And this woman came out
from some door to help them.
And he said she looked worse than we did.
You know, like it's after midnight,
everyone's miserable and angry.
And he said she said if he happened
to have a traveling banjo with him.
And he saw her name tag said, Irene.
So he said she looked like she
hadn't been serenaded in a while.
So he started serenading her and
singing Good Night, Irene, Good Night.
All these people started coming out of
doors and singing along and then at the
end the woman said, I am the best person
in this company at finding luggage.
I am going to find your luggage.
I'm going to get you a great connection.
So I saw him again this year and
I told him like four days after
he told that story, I was in
France and my luggage got lost.
And I said, I didn't have a banjo and I
wasn't about to start serenading anybody.
But his example actually was in my
mind, you know, and because we can
take things so personally, like,
you know, I had checked three times
on that journey to make sure my
luggage wasn't going to get lost.
It got lost.
I was, the airline's
out to get me clearly.
And to realize that's just extra
suffering, which we don't need.
We can let go of that.
So in any moment when, you know, so
the idea of this, you know, saying
something like you will get a lasting
sense of ongoing peace and fulfillment
that will stay with you day in, day
out forever is more realistic, you're
saying to say, you know, you have things
that you can call on, you know, deeper
or more expansive or more resourceful
parts of your being that you can call
on at any moment when things are going
well and when things aren't going well.
So it opens up more choice for you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't think many people find, my
observation is and I think this is
changing now because of the kind of
mindfulness revolution that's happening
which is a really wonderful thing, but
my observation is there's not really
that many people because we're not,
I guess, because we're not taught.
There's not that many people who
really find this deeper sense
of, I guess, that inner resource.
We're not taught to have it.
It seems that human minds don't go
there without a little bit of training,
without a little bit of support.
And maybe in our culture these days,
maybe it's a little bit more aggravated.
Some parts of our mind might
be more aggravated than others.
What do you think are the main things
that are really, what do you think the
things are that are really blocking
most people from having access to those
resources that you're talking about and
finding that sense of real happiness?
Are there mind patterns or...
Yeah, well, I mean, there are probably
many, many mind patterns, you know.
I think partly the idea that
these qualities can be trained
is a little bizarre for us.
You know, that you can train
compassion, you can train love or loving
kindness, you can train gratitude,
you can train these other things.
It doesn't make a lot of sense to us.
And I understand why not.
It sounds a little strange.
You know, like I did a weekend retreat
and I came out compassionate or something.
You know, that's weird.
But, in truth, say in Buddhist psychology,
all of those qualities I mentioned
and many more are considered emergent
properties of how we pay attention.
So we know attention can be trained.
That's the whole purpose
of meditation, right?
So, you know, if you're in an elevator
and somebody is talking to you and you're
not really listening, there is not going
to be much of a sense of connection.
You're thinking about your
email or something else.
And if you realize that and you
actually just arrive and you listen,
you're fully there, that's the ground
out of which a genuine sense of
connection, even fleeting, can emerge.
And you know, so how do we
pay attention to one another?
And what do we pay attention to?
You know, if we're thinking about
ourselves as an example, at the end of
the day, almost as though to evaluate
ourselves and pretty well, all we think
about it is the mistakes we've made
and what we've done wrong and what we
should have done better, let's just say.
So much so, that your whole sense
of who you are and all that you
will ever be just collapses around
the stupid thing you said at lunch.
You know, it's almost like asking
yourself, anything else happened today?
Like, any good within me?
And you know, some people don't like
that cause it takes intentionality.
It's a stretch.
It's not totally
comfortable for everybody.
But it's not as people fear.
People fear that it's moving from a true
place, like seeing one's problems, to
moving to a phony or hypocritical place.
But it's not.
It's moving from a true place
to another true place that tends
to get very little air time.
You can just change your focus.
So what happens when we change
our focus is that we feel a
different, like our spirits lift.
We feel that sense of
resource or possibility.
We feel connected to somebody else,
if we're focusing on them in that way.
And then there's a very, very
large question of who do we pay
attention to and who do we ignore?
Who do we discount?
Do we look right through?
And so, if we shift the
way we pay attention, these
qualities will come forth.
And so, I think people, otherwise we
do kind of stand aside and thinking,
well, that's just a pipe dream.
That's just a fairytale.
You know, you can't really live
that way, but you can live that way.
And we need the training.
So if I'm hearing you right too,
this is something that's so, think
crucial to really kind of reiterate,
is that one thing that you just said
is that our common assumptions about
where happiness comes from are often
the very thing that keeps us from
it and that happiness is a skill.
Yeah that's so important to know
and so, and really so empowering.
Especially for someone like myself.
There was a time in my life where I never
thought it would be possible just to have
the amount of wellbeing that I have now.
I just, I mean, I really just, if you
hadn't told me, you know, one day you
won't feel like you hate yourself, that
you won't feel this bad, I would have
just said, well, that's, I don't know,
like fairytales are for TV, not, you know.
But I'm really so surprised.
I wish somebody had of
told me this when I was 17.
It would have been...
So I hope there's some 17 year olds
watching this who can hear this message
because it's a powerful message.
And you can, and it's amazing
when you practice this skill,
what can really happen.
It's truly amazing.
I'd like to talk a little bit about
loving kindness because you have
really been a pioneer in bringing
this, the consciousness of loving
kindness kind of into the West.
And the great thing that's happening
right now is because a little bit of
research has come out about it, it's
starting to become a bit of a buzz word.
People are, because I think the problem
with loving kindness is, you know,
Western minds, we find a concept like
that, it just sounds too sappy for us.
So we've got some good solid
research for the Western mind
now, so we can all try it.
But could you give your definition
of what loving kindness is and why
you feel like it's really important
on the path of mindful living?
Well you're right.
A lot of people think it's just
so saccharine and gooey and, you
know, sappy.But that's not from
within.That's the thought or the
assumption and the actual experience
is something very different.
The word loving kindness is the common
translation of a word from Pali, the
language of the original Buddhist
texts, that word is Metta, METTA, and
a literal translation is friendship.
So it's about the art of friendship
with ourselves, and that means
all aspects of ourselves, and
ultimately with all of life.
And so I usually define it as
connection, a profound sense of
connection because it actually doesn't
imply that you like everybody, it
doesn't even mean you like anybody.
But there's this deep knowing our lives
have something to do with one another.
And the corollary understanding is that
everybody counts, everybody matters.
Not everybody's going to be my
best friend, but everybody matters.
And so, our whole way of relating to
ourselves and to others gets first
challenged and then transformed.
And so, I know that one part of the
importance of loving kindness on the path
to mindful living too is that sometimes
we open up awareness, we start to become
more and more aware, more and more aware.
And I think you alluded to this in the
beginning of our chat about how, I think,
it's really common on the path to more
conscious living that we can actually
get quite self-critical and quite judgy.
In fact, I think that's a really big
challenge for spiritual practitioners.
We can get quite judgy.
We have very strict ideas about how
we should be and how others should be.
And often we can see difficult,
challenging emotions or challenging
behaviors as a sign of absolute
failure, unforgivable failure.
And we can be so hard on ourselves.
And quite usually, I think it ripples
out to other people as well, when
we're that harsh with ourselves.
We kind of tend to get
a bit harsh with others.
So, I'm so glad that this conversation
is coming up more and more about
loving kindness and easefulness
and gentleness and taking it easy
on this path to mindful living.
Having compassion, I
think it's so important.
So I'm glad.
First of all, I want to say
how much I like the word
"judgy," which we don't have.
Well, I have to say as an Australian,
what we like to do is we like to
chop any long words in half and then
put an O or Y on the end of them.
That's why I'm not known as Melissa.
Everybody calls me, Melli.
You've got to chop it in half
and put it a, so judgy, that's
that's my Australian translation.
It was fantastic.
We're alll judgy, which we are.
Yes, we can get judgy.
But this meeting of compassion with judgy,
just diffuses all the aggression and
the tightness and the holding around it.
And my experience is that it's a
profound relief to let it all go.
Well really, you know, it's
like your bathed in sunlight.
Yes, you are.
It's a really profound part
of the mindfulness path, even
from the very, very beginning.
Like my first meditation instruction
was sit down and feel your breath.
You know, I've come all the way from
States to India to find a teacher.
I found a teacher.
I found a sitting and the
first instruction was sit
down and feel your breath.
As I often say, my first reaction
was great disappointment.
I thought, feel my breath?
I came all the way to India, where's
the fantastic esoteric technique
that's going to change my whole life?
And then I thought, how hard can this be?
And then it was like, whoa?I had thought
maybe it'd be, what will it be like?
800, 900 breaths before my mind wanders.
And to my absolute astonishment, it
was like one breath or maybe two or
maybe half a breath and I'd be gone.
I'd be way gone, so distracted.
And then comes the magic moment
when you realize you've been gone.
You've strayed from whatever object
you had set out to pay attention to.
And that's the moment really where we
have the chance to be quite different.
So instead of being all judgy and,
you know, getting down on ourselves
or calling ourselves a failure or
whatever, we can practice letting go.
And with some kindness toward ourselves,
we can practice beginning again.
So the very art of the meditation
is enriched by and interwoven
with the skill of loving kindness.
Because without that, you can't
actually let, go and begin again.
You just go on this rant about yourself.
You know, I'm the only one who's thinking.
No one else in the room is thinking.
They don't have any distractions.
I have all these, you know, which first of
all, tends to add some quite considerable
length to the time of the distraction.
And it's so exhausting.
It's so demoralizing.
It's not a way to go on.
It's not a way to learn.
It's not a way to get better at
something or make progress at something.
So I think that's one of the kind
of itty bitty moments of meditation
that has a huge life lesson.
That's a skills training right there.
And it goes right into work with us
and every endeavor that we do cause the
truth, I think, of life is that we're
always having to begin again, that
nothing in life is a straight shot.
We're always having to change course or
adjust or be flexible or find another way
or start over and encourage ourselves.
And that's what we're always doing.
Yeah, I love that you brought that
up and also my experience in learning
meditation in the beginning was
that, that kind of instruction about
friendliness, loving kindness or
self-compassion was a little absent.
It was very much just kind of come
back to the breath, come back to
the breath, come back to the breath.
And what I noticed is that when I
started to introduce that critical
instruction, I felt like my practice
went from being about getting somewhere
or being something more, which had
quite a, you know, there was a lot
of jaw grimacing groom and forehead
grimacing and tension in the shoulders.
I'd kind of get up sweating sometimes.
And then all of a sudden
when I got it, I got it.
And my whole practice became,
this is a time for me.
This is an oasis.
This is a nourishing.
Like the favorite part of
the day, not at all a chore.
This is me becoming deeply in
touch with life and deeply in
touch with myself and it's a joy.
That was how big the
difference was in my practice.
So it became that meditation
is now a love affair with life.
So I would love if we could, I
love in these chats if it's not
just all about in us just talking
about it, but actually doing it.
Would you care to maybe guide the whole
community in a practice, a Metta practice?
That'd be delightful.
So,we can start.
You can sit comfortably.
And close your eyes or not,
however you feel mostat ease.
One way of doing loving kindness
practice, rather than resting your
attention on the feeling of the
breath, you rest your attention on the
silent repetition of certain phrases.
The phrases are the conduit
for the heart's energy.
They're the vehicle that help
us pay attention differently.
The feeling tone of the
whole practice is generosity.
It's gift giving.
It's generosity of the spirit.
We're offering through the phrases this
sense of connection, of care and so on.
And the first recipient is ourselves.
You can choose three or four phrases.
Common phrases are things
like: May I be safe.
Live with ease.
May I be safe.
Live with ease.
Live with ease means the things in
our day to day life like livelihood
or family may not be such a struggle,.
May I live with ease.
You can choose these phrases or any
phrases that are big enough, broad
enough, and that makes sense to you
that you can make that offering to
yourself and ultimately to others.
You just repeat the phrases
over and over again, with
enough space and enough silence.
So that it's a rhythm
that's pleasing to you.
This is like the song of the heart.
Gather all your attention
behind one phrase at a time.
You don't have to try to force or
manufacture any special kind of feeling.
The power of the practice is
in that wholehearted gathering.
May I be safe.
Live with ease.
The skill's that is really the same your
mind will likely wander quite a lot.
When you realize it, see if you
can gently let go, and return.
And see if you can call
to mind a benefactor.
That's someone who's helped you.
Maybe they've helped you directly,
they shall pick you up when you
fallen down or they've mentored
you or maybe you've never met them.
They've inspired you from afar.
If someone like that comes to
mind, you can bring them here.
Get an image of them.
Say their name to yourself.
Get a feeling for their presence.
And offer the phrases of
loving kindness to them.
And even if the words aren't
perfect, they're the vehicle
for the heart's energy.
May you be safe.
Live with ease.
And then a friend.
Let's start with a friend who's
doing pretty well right now.
They may not be perfectly happy, but
at least in some arena of life, they're
enjoying success or good fortune.
If someone like that comes
to mind, bring them here.
You can get an image of them
or say their name to yourself.
See what happens as you offer the
phrases of loving kindness to them.
Do you have a friend who's having
a difficult time right now?
Bring them here and offer the
phrases of loving kindness to them.
And then all beings everywhere.
All people, all creatures,
all those in existence, near
and far, known and unknown.
May all beings be safe.
Live with ease.
And when you feel ready,
you can open your eyes.
Rest your gaze.
Thank you for that practice.
I just have one last question.
And that is, as you reflect on your
journey into mindful living over the years
and the decades actually of practice that
you've had, what would be one, would be
your greatest realization or discovery.
That's that's the big, last question.
Well, since we've just been
doing loving kindness, I'll
talk about it within that realm.
And I think that actually happened when I
went to Burma in 1985 to do an intensive
period of loving kindness practice.
It was three months.
And like many realizations, it sounds
maybe almost like nothing, like,
oh, yeah, that just makes sense.
So didn't you know that before?
But, but to really deeply know
it and the changes that that
brings versus something else.
So it was something like that loving
kindness and compassion and love
exist as a potential or a capacity
within me, and that other people
may awaken it or threaten it or
whatever, but it's actually within me.
And I realized that before then I kind
of almost thought of qualities like
that like a package that the delivery
person was bringing to my door.
And if they turned around right on
the doorstep, I was out of luck.
It was gone.
There would be no love in my life.
And that I realized, well, that's
totally untrue, that the ability,
the capacity is always mine.
It's within me.
And that, it was a very
empowering kind of realization.
Thank you for sharing that.
And thank you so much.
I just want to take this opportunity
to really, from the bottom of my heart,
to really thank you sincerely for the
work that you do, because it's been,
it's really touched my life and I think
it's, I know that it's touching the lives
of many people, so thank you so much.
And is there anything else that you'd
like to share before we close up?
I don't know.
Listening to you makes me
want to go back to Australia.
You're welcome here anytime.
Well, thank you again.,
I really enjoyed it.
And to all of our viewers, I
really, really highly recommend
you check out Real Happiness.
You know, I read a lot of
books a lot of the time.
I'm kind of a nerdy reader.
And it's been a while since I've come
across a book, that's really, I found it
a real page turner and I really loved it.
So I highly recommend you check out the
book and Sharon, where can they find
out more about your work if they want to
touch in with more stuff you're up to?
My website is simply SharonSalzberg.com.
Your spell check will likely try
to change Salzburg to S A L Z B
U R G, but it's S A L Z B E R G.
All right, Sharon.
Well, my friend and we'll hopefully get
to check in with you some other time soon.
That would be lovely.
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